Muslims tell us that all the prophets were Muslims. They say all the prophets submitted to God. Since Islam means “submission”, and all the prophets submitted to God, therefore they were all Muslims.
They point to the Bible where Abraham, Moses, Joseph, David and others submitted to God, as evidence that they were Muslims.
By using the same criteria that Muslims themselves use, i.e. Muslim means a submitter to God, I want to introduce one Muslim in the Bible that all Muslims have missed! Paul, the “Muslim” that all Muslims have been taught to despise and disparage.
Did Paul submit to God?
In Romans 12:1, Paul urges everyone to submit themselves to God as their deed of sacrifice.
(This is a call to Islam!)
In 1 Corinthians 9:27, Paul said that he brings himself to submission. “But I beat my body and bring it into submission…” (WEB).
(Paul is a Muslim!)
In Romans 10:3, Paul rebukes those who did not submit to God as..
“…ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their on, they did not SUBMIT TO GOD’s righteousness.”
(Paul chastises those who do not follow Islam!)
Muslims also fondly point out how postures of prayer in the Bible proves they prayed like Muslims. Well, Paul prayed like a Muslim too!
In Ephesians 3;14, he says, “For this reason, I bow my knees before the Father…”
I hear you saying, “Wait a minute, didn’t Paul teach to worship 3 gods? How can he be Muslim?”
Not true. Paul never taught three gods. This is slander by Muslims on a fellow-Muslim. There is no where that Paul teaches that there are three Gods.
In fact, he repeatedly professed the “shaadah”….
“…for us there is but one God..” 1 Corinthians 8:6
“For there is one God…” 1 Timothy 2:5
He even had instructions on hijab according to Muhammad!
So does the Quran talk about him? In the Quran 36:14, Allah says, “When We sent to them two Messengers, they belied them both, so We reinforced them with a third, and they said: “Verily! We have been sent to you as Messengers.”
Who were these three messengers that Allah sent? The Quran does not give us their names. But the widely renowned and accepted Tafsir Ibn Kathir does.
The messengers Allah sent were Sham’un (Shim’on/Simon), Yuhanna (Yochanan/John) and Bulus.
Who was Bulus?
Bulus is derived from the Latin form Paulus.
There you have it. Evidence from the Quran and tafsir that Allah sent Paul as a messenger. Why do Muslims insult Allah by denying and hating the messenger sent by Allah?
Mashallah! Bulus of Antioch!
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(36:13) Recite to them, as a case in point, the story of the people of the town when the Messengers came to them.10
10. The early commentators, generally, have expressed the opinion that the habitation implies the Syrian city of Antioch, and the messengers mentioned here were the ones sent by the Prophet Jesus for the preaching of his message there. Another thing that has been mentioned in this connection is that Antiochus was the king of this land at that time. But historically this story which Ibn Abbas, Qatadah, Ikrimah, Kaab Ahbar and Wahb bin Munabbih, and others have related on the basis of unauthentic Christian traditions is baseless. There have been 13 kings of the Seleucid dynasty named Antiochus who reigned in Antioch, and the rule of the last king of this name, rather the rule of this dynasty itself, came to an end in 65 B.C. At the time of the Prophet Jesus, the whole land of Syria and Palestine, including Antioch, was under the Romans. Then, no proof is forthcoming from any authentic tradition of the Christians that the Prophet Jesus might himself have sent any of his disciples to Antioch for preaching his message. On the contrary, the Acts of the Apostles (N.T.) shows that the Christian preachers had reached Antioch for the first time a few years after the event of the crucifixion. Now, evidently, the people who were neither appointed messengers by Allah nor sent by His Messenger cannot be regarded as messengers of Allah by any interpretation even if they might have travelled for the purpose of preaching of their own accord. Moreover, according to the Bible, Antioch was the first city where the non-Israelites embraced Christianity in large numbers and where the Christian faith met with great success; whereas the habitation mentioned by the Quran was some such habitation which rejected the invitation of the messengers, and was consequently punished with a divine torment. History also does not bear any evidence that Antioch was ever afflicted with a destruction, which might be regarded, as the result of denying the Prophethood.
On account of these reasons it cannot be accepted that the habitation implies Antioch. The habitation has neither been clearly determined in the Quran nor in any authentic Hadith. The identity of the messengers also is not known through any authentic means nor the time when they were appointed. To understand the purpose for which the Quran is narrating this story here, it is not necessary to know the names of the habitation and the messengers. The object is to warn the Quraish, as if to say: You are following the same path of stubbornness, prejudice and denial of the truth as had been followed by the people of that habitation, and are preparing yourselves to meet the same doom as was met by them.
This is proof that you are uneducated this text is not from the Quran where it says the name John,Simon,paul the Quran not even says any names this text that you show is from a book from ibn khattir and not even he says that this where their names. In this specific text they are having a between the scholars about what their names really was ibn khattir himself says their name where sadiq,saduq, shalum so please don’t use scriptures of scholars that lived 700 years after the prophet (saw) and claim it’s the Quran
Yusuf,
Who said that it is from the Quran? I specifically said that it found in Tafsir Ibn kathir. Please read my article carefully first before making irrelevant comments.
Thanks sir.
Tafsir ibn Kathir reference, please; Faiz may have refuted you on that one. Either St. Paul and his followers (Gentile Greeks), or Ebionites follow the true teachings of the Messiah. But which of these exemplify more “proto-Islamic” values? I think the former doesn’t as they planted the seeds of syncretism that became mainstream Christianity as we know it.
I quoted one koran verse (36:14) and I referenced Tafsir Ibn Kathir.
And you ask for the reference to Tafsir Ibn Kathir?
ABSOLUTE LIES!!!
Paul is NEVER mentioned in the Quran- If you just Google the verse and listen to it WHERE IS PUAL/ BULUS??? The verse in ARABIC!!
Complete fabrication from the religion that is Christianity- Should actually be called Paulianity because the ROMAN Paul invented the religion going against the teaching of Jesus- Matthew 5:17 ‘Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven’ VS Romans ( written by Paul)- For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.- Says Paul
Also Paul was NOT a disciples of Jesus- he was a SELF- MADE apostle- He never even met Jesus.
Remember- Jesus Cries when Paul Lies!
Dear Truth Hurts,
Who said Paul is mentioned in the Quran? Read my article carefully.
I said it was Ibn Kathir who gave the name Bulus in his commentary for 36:14. I hope you know what Tafsir Ibn Kathir is.
Allah failed to mention the names of the messengers in his book, so he needed help from your scholars.
As for your allegation that Paul invented Christianity, that makes no sense because he was persecuting Christians BEFORE he became one himself!
Also he wasn’t a Roman. He was Pharisee, a Jew from the tribe of Benjamin.
But for you Muslims who “deify” Paul and believe that he created the largest religion in the world beating Allah for the last 2000 years, I have this article for you:
https://www.faithbrowser.com/two-reasons-why-muslims-hate-paul/
Paul was not one of the 12 apostles but he was a disciple of Christ. A disciple simply means follower of Christ.
Shortly after the ascension, there were already over a hundred disciples. See Acts 1:15. This was long before Paul became a disciple himself.
Who’s the self-made apostle?
The one who demanded 20% of the booty and all the women he desired and made up revelations that benefited him OR the one who was persecuted and imprisoned for his faith, and eventually martyred?
Without lies, Islam dies.
it seems like u are the one that got confuse here. In Quran, there is no mention his name at all. only in tafsir. tafsir is interpretation from someone else that understand the situation of that Quranic verse were revealed. and that is why there have a lot of tafsir, but only 1 Quran. maybe on that time, in Ibn Kathir understanding that is paul. thats why there have no further information about him in Islamic resource. and unfortunately, later that paul become a heretic, and spreading another teaching of Isa/Jesus. and that is another reason, that in the bible, there have a few book that were written by him, that against Isa/Jesus teaching.
mrsparta,
Do you know when Ibn Kathir lived? More than 1300 years AFTER Paul died.
If Paul was a heretic, why did Ibn Kathir write his name as one of the messengers sent by Allah?
Didn’t this great scholar of Islam know that Paul was a “liar”?
They know all that you said, why are you being so nice 🤭🤭🤭 they are toying with you hoping to make you loose Christ.
Thank you for your reply. As always you have managed to add numbers and come to the wrong conclusion (1+1+1=1).
Paul didn’t invent Christianity? Really? Name one Church Founder until the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD that taught the Doctrine of The Trinity. Over 300 years of so called Christianity and not a single mention of the Father the Son the Holy Ghost Doctrine. This goes against the Commandments of Moses- 1- I am the Lord thy God- I singular NOT Trinity 3. Not clear enough? – 2nd Commandment- ‘Thou shalt have no other gods before me’- Who looks at that and says- Yeah he has a Son who is also sometimes God? So was God lying when he set these commandments? Should he have not mentioned the 3 in 1 Doctrine? Poor Moses, and Noah, and Abraham and Adam, and all other Prophets they never worshipped Jesus- Will they not get eternal life? Why did they not worship Jesus if he is GOD and GOD is always eternal? If the old Testament is the WORD OF GOD and the New Testament even by your confession is the word of Men- ( John; Luke ; Mark etc.) then surely the author of the Old testament must be adhered to as it is not ONLY GODS word- but also Jesus who you believe IS God ? So where is the concept of the Trinity? Why do we need to look at obscure references in the NT written by MEN years after Jesus died that depart from the worship of 1 God affirmed in not just the OT but by ALL Prophets from Adam?
Jesus was NOT a Christian- If so what kind of Christian was he (Catholic/ Protestant/ Lutheran/ Mormon/ Unitarian/ Anglican/Episcopal?) Oh, right, does the Bible say he was the KING OF THE JEWS?? So NOT a Christian. And the Jews worship 1 GOD- not a triune system of Gods.
Fun Fact- Genesis 1:1 ‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.’- but of course the original writing was Aramaic not English right? What is the Aramaic for God I wonder? AaLaH.
So Paul persecuted Christians before he and the Romans had the chance to invent it in 325 AD in the Council of Nicea? There were no Christians before then- Jesus was KING OF THE JEWS- So who invented Christianity?
Also Paul Wasn’t a Roman? – Acts 16:37- ‘But Paul said to the officers: “They beat us publicly without a trial, even though we are Roman citizens, and threw us into prison. And now do they want to get rid of us quietly? No! Let them come themselves and escort us out’. He was Born in Rome so was Roman by birth- Unless you’re saying that Acts 16:37 is wrong?
Paul was not one of the 12 apostles but he was a disciple of Christ. A disciple simply means follower of Christ. – Really? – Am I mistaken in thinking that he is referred to as ‘The Apostle Paul? Doesn’t Jesus have to MAKE one an Apostle? Did he even meet Jesus- you didn’t answer that. So who verified that he was an Apostle? Himself!!- You say he is a Disciple? – ‘Disciple simply means follower of Christ’- ’- Really? Well was he FOLLWING Christ when he went against the teaching of Jesus- Again you failed to address this:
Matthew 5:17 ‘Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven
But Paul Says- For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
Jesus:
Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[Luke 16:16-17] Mt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Paul:
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Many More examples- just look them up.
There are Christians themselves who don’t follow the teaching of Paul- they can’t reconcile the original message of One God and his idea of this making Jesus divine (Church without Paul -YouTube).
Shortly after the ascension, there were already over a hundred disciples. See Acts 1:15. This was long before Paul became a disciple himself.
You want me to read Acts 15- ACTS, which was written by Luke the Evangelists by who also NEVER MET JESUS and correct me if I’m mistaken- was actually a DISCIPLE OF PAUL and not Jesus? So how did Paul become a disciple? He certainly was NOT perching the message of Jesus who said Follow the Law Of Moses- Paul Taught the opposite- Just believe in Jesus and Works in not necessary – Faith Alone. Sounds like real follower of Jesus (!)
https://thesincereseeker.medium.com/the-role-of-paul-in-christianity-and-how-he-destroyed-the-teachings-of-jesus-christ-417443450cd2
Now going back to ‘PAUL’ being in the Quran- Please read this:
In all their desperation Christian missionaries have now started to claim that according to the Quran Paul was a prophet of God. Their conclusions are based on conjectures and the misrepresentation of the text of the Quran. Simply put, there is not a single place in the Quran which even mentions the name “Paul” let alone mentioning him to be a prophet of God.
To make such claims the Christian missionaries run to Tafsir Ibn Kathir. They read out the tafsir by Ibn Kathir regarding the 14th ayah (Verse) of the 36th Surah (Chapter) of the Quran.
Verse under Question:
36:14
إِذْ أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ اثْنَيْنِ فَكَذَّبُوهُمَا فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا إِلَيْكُم مُّرْسَلُونَ
When We (first) sent to them two apostles, they rejected them: But We strengthened them with a third: they said, “Truly, we have been sent on a mission to you.” – [Translation: Abdullah Yusuf Ali]
Christian missionaries say that Ibn Kathir says in his Tafsir of the Quran that this verse refers to Paul of Tarsus and thus Paul (Bulus) is one of the Messengers of God according to Islam.
Let’s see whether Ibn Kathir makes such a claim.
Ibn Kathir writes:
“The names of the first two Messengers were Sham`un and Yuhanna, and the name of the third was Bulus, and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).”
But the question is this Ibn Kathir’s view?
No. This saying is attributed to: Shu`ayb Al-Jaba’i
Ibn Kathir is quoting Shu`ayb Al-Jaba’i. Ibn Kathir has also quoted interpretations of different people as well. He says that according to Ibn Ishaq the names of these three are:
(i) Sadiq
(ii) Saduq
(iii) Shalum
Note: No Bulus (i.e. Paul) mentioned here.
Later on Ibn Kathir in his tafsir refutes this and says that according to the proceeding Quranic verses the people were destroyed. Historically there is no evidence that the city of Antioch faced such destruction and thus this cannot even be about the city of Antioch.
Analyzing Some Tafsirs
Now let’s check Qurtubi whom these missionaries have labelled to be “The Number 1 Muslim Imam”.
Qurtubi:
“Tabari mentions: Sadiq Saduq Shalum
Someone else: Shamoun Yuhanna
Al Naqash said: Saman and Yahya – Did not mention Sadiq and Saduq.
According to Qurtubi Jesus sent the first two as messengers to the king of Antioch. To him they said “We are disciples of Jesus”. The king jailed them and whipped them. This news reached Jesus and he sent a third messenger ‘Shamoun Al-Safa’.”
Note: Qurtubi does not mention any Paul (Bulus) either.
We will now check another tafsir
Tafsir Ibn Abbas:
(When We sent unto them twain) two apostles: Simon the Canaanite and Thomas, (and they denied them both, so We reinforced them with a third) We strengthened them with Simon Peter who confirmed the message conveyed by the other two apostles, (and they said; Lo! we have been sent unto you.
Note: No Paul mentioned over there either.
What we have done here is basically refuted the idea that the Tafsirs unanimously agree that one of the three people sent as messengers was Paul. There is a difference of opinion among the scholars of tafsir which is evidence that neither the Quran mentions the name of Paul as one of the messengers nor did Prophet Muhammad (saw) ever mention his name with regards to this verse.
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Does The Verse Really Talk About Messengers (Rasul)?
Now we will go on to refute the idea that the verse is talking of a Rasul of Allah.
The Arabic text of the Quran clearly shows the word used for these three to be “mursaloon”. Mursaloon which is the plural of mursal means “sent one”. This word has been highlighted in the concerned verse above.
Rasul (pl. rusul) in Islam has a specific definition.
Generally the word means: ambassador, messenger, envoy, emissary, forerunner, apostle, and courier.
Mursal (pl. mursaloon) means: sent one
This word, in the Quran can or can not refer to a prophet of Allah. For example in the Quran we see the following verse:
وَإِنِّي مُرْسِلَةٌ إِلَيْهِم بِهَدِيَّةٍ فَنَاظِرَةٌ بِمَ يَرْجِعُ الْمُرْسَلُونَ
But indeed, I will send to them a gift and see with what [reply] the messengers will return. – [Quran 27:35]
The same word “mursaloon” has been used. So does this mean that the messengers that Bilqis sent were RUSUL?
Another verse of the Quran:
فَلَمَّا جَاء آلَ لُوطٍالْمُرْسَلُونَ
At length when the messengers arrived among the adherents of Lut – [Quran 15:61]
Again the same word “mursaloon” is used. Does this mean that the angels which came to Lut were RUSUL?
Of course the answer to both the questions is “No”. None of them was a rasul but they were only ‘sent ones’. This word “mursaloon” simply means a messenger and not necessarily RasulAllah
Further Deception by Christian Missionaries
The deceiving nature of these certain Christian missionaries is actually laughable. To support their claim they try to quote another verse from the Quran. The translation of that verse is given below:
Muhammad is no more than a Messenger – [Quran 3:144]
And they say that look Muhammad was also only a messenger like the other three. But if we read the verse of the Quran we see that the word used here is “rasul” and not the general term “mursaloon”. A general term for messenger was used for the three people in 36:14 but for Prophet Muhammad (saw) the special word “rasul” has been used in this verse.
Further the verse continues:
Many Were the messengers that passed away before him. – [Quran 3:144]
This part of the verse talks about the previous rusul of Allah (swt). And in the Arabic text, for them, again the word “rasul” is used and not the common word mursaloon.
Hence clearly the three that the Quran is talking about in Surah Yasin (36) verse 14 were not “rasul” but messengers (the sent ones) sent by Jesus on the directive of Allah (swt).
Let’s give an example to make things clearer. If Allah (swt) informs Prophet Muhammad (Saw) to send Omar (ra) to Persia for Da’wah does that not mean that Omar (ra) is a messenger (mursaloon)? Of course he is a messenger! But it can never mean that he is a rasul!
Similarly these three were not rasul but were only messengers sent by Jesus (as) on the directives of Allah (swt).
Further Evidence
For more evidence we have to read Surah 36 verse 16:
They said: “Our Lord doth know that we have been sent on a mission to you: – [Quran 36:16]
This is a significant verse. These three supposed rasul of God go to a city and there they do not say ‘Our Lord sent us on a mission’ but rather say ‘Our Lord knows that we have been sent.’
Clearly when a Rasul of Allah (swt) (i.e. Jesus in this case) sends a messenger (i.e. Paul, Shamoun, Yuhanna or any of the other names mentioned by scholars in this case) to another city, God knows that they have been sent. It does not mean that God actually chose them to be rasul and sent them.
The Last Blow
It has clearly been refuted that according to the Quran or the Tafsir Paul was a Rasul of Allah (swt). For the final blow to the deception which the Christian missionaries try to create let us take a look at a hadith of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
There is a clear hadith from the mouth of Prophet Muhammad (saw):
Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Apostle saying, “I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus).” – [Sahih Bukhari Vol.4, Book 55, #651] This hadith has also been recorded in Sahih Muslim and Abu Dawud.
Conclusion
The whole idea of Paul being a rasul of God has been defeated in this article.
1) The verse 36:14 does not talk about a rasul but only about mursaloon.
2) Whether the verse in question refers to Paul or not is a matter of interpretation and clearly there are many scholars who don’t even mention Paul’s name in their tafsir of this verse.
3) Ibn Kathir himself refutes the claim of the city being Antioch.
4) According to Sahih Hadith it is clear that between Jesus (as) and Prophet Muhammad (saw) there has been no prophet and hence Paul could have never been a prophet.
5) Even if, for argument’s sake, we would say that according to Ibn Kathir Paul is a Rasul of God, no tafsir can supercede the authentic hadith. This would be Ibn Kathir’s interpretation and Ibn Kathir was a man and not a rasul of God hence his word can never be taken over the word of the Prophet Muhammad (saw)
It’s funny how Christians don’t believe in Islam or the Quran but seem to have no problem using the Quran- which they don’t believe in- to validate their claim of Paul? Hypocrisy??
Thanks for the letting me reply though.
Dear Truth Hurts,
You seem to be making up your own version of “truth”. I don’t know if you’re just guessing and hoping that some of your lies stick or if you have been fed and swallowed such gross misinformation from your deceptive teachers.
Let’s dismantle them one by one.
1. You said: Name one church founder that taught the doctrine of trinity before Nicea.
I’ll give you two. Tertullian (AD 160-220) and Origen (AD 185-254) both used the term “trinity” long before Nicea.
2. You said: “I am the Lord Thy God” is singular.
The word for “God” is ELOHIM. This is a plural noun. Right from Genesis 1:1 we see the repeated use of the plural noun ELOHIM. In Genesis 1:2, we see the Spirit present even before creation. Right there in Genesis, when God spoke, he referred to himself as “we” and “us”. No, that isn’t the “royal we”. There is no “royal we” in Hebrew. You need to come to terms that Trinity is one God and laugh off the nonsense taught in the koran that we have 3 gods – allah, isa & mariam (see 5:73, 75, 116, etc)
3. You said: Who looks at that and says- Yeah he has a Son who is also sometimes God?
Read Proverbs 30:4. Who’s the Son in that verse? Btw, Jesus is not “sometimes” God. He is God from eternity.
4. You said: Should he have not mentioned the 3 in 1 Doctrine?
The doctrine of the trinity IS taught in the Bible in hundreds of verses. If you are interested to study, read:
https://www.faithbrowser.com/is-trinity-taught-in-the-bible/
5. You said: Poor Moses, and Noah, and Abraham and Adam, and all other Prophets they never worshipped Jesus.
Who do you think appeared to Abraham? Read Genesis 18:1. Who do you think appeared to Isaiah? (Read Isaiah 6:1, John 12:41) Who do you think appeared to Moses? Read John 8:58. Jesus identified himself with the name that was revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14. Hence, the reaction of the Jews in wanting to stone him for blasphemy. They knew what he was saying!
6. You said: Jesus was NOT a Christian- If so what kind of Christian was he (Catholic/ Protestant/ Lutheran/ Mormon/ Unitarian/ Anglican/Episcopal?)
What a dumb question. Jesus was not a Christian. So why would you ask what kind of Christian he was? I have heard this same stupidity word-for-word from Louis Farrakhan. Is that where you’re learning your theology from?
7. You said: And the Jews worship 1 GOD- not a triune system of Gods.
We believe and worship one God. Where does it say we have multiple gods? Even Paul, whom you vilify, wrote that there is one God. So what’s the source of your strawman fallacy? From the blunders of Allah…”Allah is the third of three…” rubbish.
8. You said: Fun Fact- Genesis 1:1 ‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.’- but of course the original writing was Aramaic not English right? What is the Aramaic for God I wonder? AaLaH.
The original text is Hebrew and the word for God is Elohim. Even your “fun fact” is wrong.
9. You said: So Paul persecuted Christians before he and the Romans had the chance to invent it in 325 AD in the Council of Nicea?
Paul died around AD 65. And you believe that he and the Romans invented it in AD 325? This is getting embarrassing. What credibility do you have if you don’t know a basic fact like this?
10. You said: There were no Christians before then- Jesus was KING OF THE JEWS- So who invented Christianity?
The first Christians were Jews. Peter and the others, who followed Jesus. Jesus said that the church would be built on the confession of Peter’s faith in Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of the Living God.
11. You said: Paul was Born in Rome so was Roman by birth
Paul was born in Tarsus. He was a Roman citizen but he was Jewish.
12. You said: Am I mistaken in thinking that he is referred to as ‘The Apostle Paul?
What I said was Paul was not one of the 12 apostles. There were other apostles named in the NT besides the original 12, like Andronicus, Junia, Apollos etc.
Apostle means “one who is sent out”– The original 12 by Jesus and the others were by the early Christian community. Yes, Paul was also an apostle. He was commissioned by the resurrected Jesus.
13. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Law. You muslims fail to understand what that means. The Law is fulfilled.
I dont think you even know what The Law is. Learn more: https://www.faithbrowser.com/is-the-old-testament-abolished/
Also in the story of the rich young ruler who asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life, did you ever read the whole passage?
Learn more: https://www.faithbrowser.com/what-must-i-do-to-inherit-eternal-life/
14. You said: You want me to read Acts 15- ACTS, which was written by Luke the Evangelists by who also NEVER MET JESUS..
Well, like it or not, Luke is part of my scriptures. My beliefs and faith are based on this Book. If you dont want to read my Book, then there is nothing to discuss. Why ask questions then? You want me to pluck my answers from Muhammad’s imagination instead?
Muhammad spoke about Jesus too. 600 years after the ascension. Did Muhammad meet him? What a hypocrite! Muhammad spoke Allah’s words but Allah never spoke one word of the koran to him. But that’s ok? How blind can you be?
15. You said: It’s funny how Christians don’t believe in Islam or the Quran but seem to have no problem using the Quran- which they don’t believe in- to validate their claim of Paul?
What a joke. You think that we would use the words coming from a murderous pedophile caravan robber terrorist to validate Paul or anything for that matter? Let me make it clear that we believe Muhd was an immoral fraud who made up self-serving revelations to satisfy his lusts, especially his disgusting sexual lusts.
Now that we have got that straight, let me explain the issue about 36:14….
You 21st century Muslims have vilified Paul and credited him with creating the largest religion in the world for the last 2000 years and somehow changing allah’s unchanging words. Correct?
Now name me one early Mohamedan who also condemned Paul like you have been taught to do.
The koran was allegedly revealed 600 years after Paul had supposedly done all his misdeeds. Yet allah said nothing in his koran? He cursed Abu Lahab and his wife and gave him an entire chapter but not one verse about how the evil Paul corrupted his words and religion?
How about in the hadiths? Nothing. The only alleged mention is in Ibn Kathir’s commentary of 36:14.
I don’t care if your scholars gave a hundred names as possible candidates for those 3 messengers spoken of in 36:14. Allah couldn’t tell you who they were and left you muslims guessing. That’s your problem.
My interest is this: Ibn Kathir lived in the 14th century, over a thousand years after Paul. This respected Islamic scholar put down in his books that according to one source “Bulus of Antakiyah” was one of the 3 messengers.
Obviously referencing Paul of Antioch. Whether he was or was not, is not the issue here. My question is this: If Paul was guilty of all the evil and atrocities attributed to him by Muslims, why would Ibn Kathir even mention his name in such a positive light? Didnt he know how “evil” Paul was?
In conclusion, when exactly did you Mohamedans decide to condemn Paul?
Allah didn’t do it 600 years after Paul, ~600 AD
The hadiths didn’t do it 900 years after Paul ~800-900 AD
Scholars like Ibn Kathir didn’t do it 1300 years after Paul. ~1350 AD
Once again, when exactly did Paul become the favorite whipping boy of all Muslims? Who was the first Muslim to condemn and criticize Paul and made him allah’s #1 rival?
1. Jesus did never send those in the Nt to Antioch
2. Jesus never met Paul personally.
2. only one person said it. Thats why you cut the tafsir of Ibn Kathir. Ibn Kathir also goes on to refute the claim.
3. The passage in the Quran says that that the town was destroyed. Antioch in the first century was never destroyed
Dear Abdool,
YOu said:
1. Jesus did never send those in the Nt to Antioch
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Jesus commanded his followers to go to the whole world.
You said:
2. Jesus never met Paul personally.
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He did. Read Acts 9.
You said:
3. only one person said it. Thats why you cut the tafsir of Ibn Kathir. Ibn Kathir also goes on to refute the claim.
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Your Allah failed to name the messngers. So that’s why your scholars were tryiong to patch up Allah’s revelation and suggested various names.
The fact is Bulus is one of the names mentioned. Sorry you can’t hide the fact.
By the way, I was not cutting anything. it’s called quoting.
You said:
4. The passage in the Quran says that that the town was destroyed. Antioch in the first century was never destroyed.
When was it destroyed? Who said it was destoyed in the 1st century? Are you saying that the Allah claimed Antoich was destroyed before the 1st century?
Well your books are filled with stories like Jesus made clay bird,spoke from the cradle, Mary is the sister of Aaron, Paul was sent Antioch with Simon and John, so it’s no surprise, remember they are writing centuries later from stories they heard, so 🤷🤷.
If Paul was such a horrible person according to muslims why didn’t Allah condemn him like he did with Abu Lahab in surah al massad (111)?
Idk a person who supposedly literally corrupted the message of God and started the biggest religion against Islam, the hypothetical true religion, is much worse than someone who just said and wanted to do bad things to “prophet” muhammad. why does allah care so much about useless stuff small stuff like if people worship Mary when almost nobody relative to whole of christianity worships Mary?? and i swear if i hear “bUt cAtHoLiCs wOrShiP mArY”…
Even earliest tafsirs are too dumb and say that some christian groups trinity. It is laughable.
truth is if Allah exists hes either weak, and/or stupid and/or evil for letting christianity start and grow. he never even TRIES to address it because the only mentions of “Holy Spirit” in the quran is referring to him aiding Jesus with the holy spirit, tafsir and muslims say oh it means Jibril but then the only surah that could be interpreted as that is 16:102 “say the holy spirit brought it down” but any of the old books like the Psalms (or the Zabur, if u think theyre the same) can be interpreted as such, why is it Gabriel? in hadith sahih muslim 2490 at the very end it is clear there’s a distinction between Gabriel and the Holy Spirit as the arabic follows the pattern of previously talking about the Apostle, (and the apostle, and gabriel, and the Holy spirit).
all other hadiths are about muhammad either asking allah or saying that Hassan is to be guided with the Holy spirit when defending muhammad. Why didn’t allah care about Paul corrupting the message and where was the holy spirit or gabriel when Paul corrupted “Isa” message, what you muslims call the word and spirit of Allah and his word (Riyad as-salihin 201, Sahih muslim 195, Sahih muslim 193) ???
Excellent post.
shuaib al jabai is mentionned by ibn kathir in his tafsir. while shuaib does indeed say bulus aka paul is the third messenger, shuaib isnt authoritative for muslims. what you have left out is that the same ibn kathir you quoted said in the same tafsir that In other reports that he transmitted from Ibn ‘Abbas, Ka’b Al-Ahbar and Wahb bin Munabbih, the names are sadiq saduq and shalom. while the reports dont go back to the prophet, they at least go back to ibn abbas which is way more authoritative than shuaib which wasnt even a companion. so indeed Mashallah! Bulus of Antioch in NOT a prophet 😉 😉 😉
The fact is no one knows the identities of the three messengers. Allah failed to tell you Muslims. That’s why your scholars have to help Allah out by guessing and throwing various names into the hat. And still no one knows.
Whether the three were sadiq saduq and shalom or tom dick and harry is irrelevant. This is a dilemma for Islam.
It is not my concern. It was not my point anyway.
You said that Bulus of Antioch is NOT a prophet. Based on what? Based on your hatred and the lies that you have been fed with by your deceptive teachers.
And THAT is exactly my point!
Some early Muslim suggested that Paul was one of those messengers. You can throw Shuaib under the bus if you like, but the very fact that this early Muslim recorded that Bulus was the messenger tells us that Paul did not have the same reputation that he has he has today in Islam. If Shuaib was anything like you, consumed by the hatred and the lies that have engulfed you modern Muslims concerning Paul, he would not even have dreamed of suggesting that Paul was that third messenger. So when exactly did Paul go from being a possible candidate for the third messenger to being the enemy of Muslims and Allah?
Do you understand?