Muslim: I bear witness that there is no God but Allah…
Christian: What makes you say that Allah is God?
Muslim: Because he is the creator.
Christian: How many creators are there in Islam?
Muslim: Allah is the only creator.
Christian: That is not what the Quran says. Allah claims that he is the best of the creators. That means there are many creators according to Allah in 23:14.
Muslim: No, those are ordinary human creators like inventors.
Christian: Why would Allah compare himself to ordinary human beings?
Muslim: Allah is saying he is the best.
Christian: A student in a classroom can claim he is the best among all the students. It doesn’t mean he is the only student. There are other students like him!
Muslim: Allah is incomparable.
Christian: Well, it is Allah himself doing the comparing!
Muslim: Allah is saying he is incomparable as a creator to human creators and inventors.
Christian: OK but do you think it makes any sense for Allah to compare himself with human beings and then declare he is the best. It’s like you comparing yourself to an ant and then declaring that you are cleverer than an ant. It is not just laughable for Allah to do that but also an insult to himself!
Muslim: You don’t understand.
Christian: It is you who said Allah is God because he is the only creator. But now you have to admit that Allah himself talked about many creators. For example, if you read 37:125, Allah acknowledges a pagan idol Baal as one of the creators that he has to compete with to be worshipped.
Will ye cry unto Baal and forsake the Best of creatorsSura 37:125
Muslim: I’ve never seen that verse.
Christian: It’s in your Quran. There’s also another related verse where Allah challenges those other creators to create a fly.
…Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose….Sura 22:73
Muslim: Yes, because no one can even create a fly like Allah can.
Christian: If someone does create a fly, does that make him creator and worthy to be worshipped?
Muslim: Yes, only God can create and give life.
Christian: According to Sura 3:49, Jesus creates a bird, giving it life and making it a living being.
“Indeed, I came to you with a sign from your lord. I create for you the figure of a bird from the clay. So I breathe into it, so it will become a bird by Allah’s permission.”
Muslim: But it is only “by Allah’s permission.”
Christian: Permission is irrelevant. Who CREATED the bird? Allah or Jesus?
Christian: So Jesus is creator too, worthy of being invoked. This is according to your own book! How is it possible that Jesus can possess the same attribute of God as Creator?
Muslim: It is Allah’s prerogative to share this attribute with anyone.
Christian: Really? This is a huge problem. Not only does this mean that Allah has a partner and co-creator, but also more damaging to Islam, is that Allah is no longer unique!
Christian: If Allah shares this attribute with Jesus, then it means Jesus shares in the identity of Allah.
Muslim: I need to think further on this. Will talk with you again another time. Bye.
Christian: Take care, my friend.
“Through Him (Jesus) all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.”
“He (Jesus) was in the world, and though THE WORLD WAS MADE THROUGH HIM, the world did not recognize Him.”
“For in Him (Jesus) all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.”
4 thoughts on “Conversation About The Creator”
Deception, it’s by the God’s leave (God forbid!), Jesus is the instrument, a vessel! That’s makes him a lesser creator like us. Anywhere else you think Jesus is pantokrator? I want to see someone make birds out of clay too; that would be a miracle by itself. Maybe you can try, if God wills.
Creator, is a unique attribute of God alone, the source and giver of life.
The koran attributes this to Jesus.
Deceiving article. To put it rationally, we’re all creators, the God is the creator of creators. The NT verses refer to the divine Christos, mistakenly attributed to Jesus the man. Put it clearly: multiple meanings abound. Want one?
You said, “We’re all creators, God is the creator of creators.”
Where does this come from? Show me from the koran where allah said that we’re all creators.
Does this only apply to human beings or also to angels and demons too?
“The NT verses refer to the divine Christos, mistakenly attributed to Jesus the man.”
You do know that Christ means Messiah, right?
And yes, Christ is divine. Which verses are you talking about?
Who does the koran attribute as Messiah/al-Masih?
Are you Muslim?