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Is There Science In The Quran?

Is There Science In The Quran?

Muslims tell everyone that there is “science” in the quran. And, this is supposedly miraculous evidence that their book comes from God.

When I ask about history or chronology in the Quran, they say Quran is not a history book.
When I ask about names of people and names of places, they say Quran is not a book that needs to give such facts and details.

When I ask about prophesies in the Quran, they say Quran is not a book of prophecy.
When I point out that not a single story of the prophets is complete (except the story of Joseph), they say Quran is not a story book and that the incomplete stories are sufficient.

But, somehow when it comes to science, Muslims believe the Quran has science in it.

Why did Allah think that science must be included in the Quran, so that mankind may know this book is from him?

The names of the first human beings born on the earth were not mentioned, but apparently detailed embryology of their birth in the womb of an unnamed woman is supposedly in the Quran.

Let’s do muslims a favor and look at this claim that the science in the book proves that it is from Allah.  If it is from a an all-knowing deity, THERE CANNOT BE EVEN ONE SINGLE SCIENTIFIC ERROR.

If the Quran had said that, “stars are luminous balls of gases held together by their own gravity”, I would be impressed.

Instead, Allah says that stars are missiles for the devil. (Sura 67:5)  What science is this? In which era?

This is not science. This is more like some 7th century desert superstition. Perhaps someone saw a meteorite streaking across the night sky but unfortunately didn’t know the difference between a star and a shooting star and claimed it was missiles being shot at the devil.

I can show you dozens of scientific errors like the “science” that semen is produced between the backbone and the ribs.

Like I said, one error is enough for the whole pile of scientific cards to come tumbling down and prove that the all of the so-called science in the Quran is made up.

Here is a list of the scientific claims and errors in the Quran. Check it out.


Any claims of scientific miracles must be clear for a non-muslim to see andf acknowledge as a miracle.  If it needs Muslim explanation and interpretation, then it only works for a Muslim.

Otheriwse. it is possible to force science into anything and then expain and interpret it to fit anything you want.
Let me give you an example.

Here is a poem in a children’s book.

“See the clouds floating in the sky
White clouds, grey clouds, big clouds, small clouds,
See how they come and go,
Sometimes high sometimes low.”

Wow! Did you see the amazing science revealed in these 4 verses!?

“What science?”

Here, I need to explain it to you.

verse 1. SEE the clouds FLOATING in the sky…
It’s telling us that when tiny droplets of water in the sky come together, they become VISIBLE to our EYES, and we SEE them as clouds and because they are so light that they can FLOAT in the air!


Here’s more….

verse 2: White clouds, grey clouds, big clouds, small clouds,
We learn here that clouds are white because the water droplets scatters the light of the seven wavelengths which combine to produce white light.  And when it says big clouds, that’s a definite reference to Altostratus clouds! And clearly, small clouds are a reference to Cirro-cumulus clouds!

Incredible science found in a toddler’s book!


In closing, a word on the so-called miraculous coincidences in the Quran.

A fatwa by Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid on the well respected traditional Islamic site (Islam Q and A) saying that claims for miraculous coincidences of word occurences in the Qur’an are to be discounted:

“Writing a book which contains a specific number of certain words is something that anyone can do; what is so miraculous about that?…

All of that is toying with the Book of Allah which is caused by ignorance of the true nature of the miracle of the Book of Allah.

By examining the statistics presented by those who have published these numbers, we find that they did not get the numbers of some phrases right, and some of them have been selective in the way they counted the words, and that is so that they might reach the conclusion they want and that they think is in the Book of Allah.”


Did All Messengers Pass Away?

Did All Messengers Pass Away?

That is what Sura 3:144 says.

Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.

The Arabic transliteration is:


The following Muslim translations were found on the web:

Pickthall Yusuf Ali Shakir Sher Ali Hilali/Khan Muhammad Sarwar T. Irving Rashad Khalifa
Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful. Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude. And Muhammad is no more than an apostle; the apostles have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful. And Muhammad is but a messenger. Verily all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he dies or is slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm ALLAH at all. And ALLAH will certainly reward the grateful. Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allâh, and Allâh will give reward to those who are grateful. Muhammad is only a Messenger. There lived other Messengers before him. Should (Muhammad) die or be slain, would you then turn back to your pre-Islamic behavior? Whoever does so can cause no harm to God. God will reward those who give thanks. Muhammad is only a messenger, Messengers have passed away before him. If he should die or be killed, will you (all) revert to your old ways? Anyone who turns on his heels will never injure God in any way, while God will reward the grateful. Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him.Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative.

Clearly, the translators are struggling with this verse and its implications.


Observations on these translations:

Pickhall: messengers (indefinite)

Yusuf Ali: many were the messengers (He uses the definite article but is making it selective by inserting the word “many” which is not in the Arabic text. Actually, the original Yusuf Ali translation says “messenger” or “apostle” in the singular (I have seen both) but this is probably just a typo and is corrected in the revised Saudi version of his translation.)

Shakir: the apostles (definite)

Sher Ali: all messengers (definite, stresses that it is comprehensive by adding “all”. Clearly inspired by the Ahmadiyya theory that Jesus has died already in India at some time before Muhammad.)

Hilali/Khan: many messengers (indefinite, stressing selectiveness by adding “many”)

Muhammad Sarwar: other Messengers (indefinite, makes it selective by adding “other” which is like “some”. Furthermore he translates “lived” instead of “passed away”. If he focusses on “lived” shouldn’t he be consistent in his corruption and then add “all” instead of “others” or are there others that will live after him? Maybe that is Shia bias seeing the 12 Imams in the role of messengers, and they are after him?)

T. Irving: messengers (indefinite)

Rashad Khalifa: messengers (indefinite, he completely passes over “passed away”)


What does the Arabic REALLY say?

The word used for messengers here is al-russul, which means THE messengers (al = the, russul = messengers), indicating that this verse refers to all the messengers.

In other words it is definite even though most translators are trying to make it indefinite. Shakir (Shia) is for this phrase most literal, and the Ahmadiyya translation is indeed closest to the actual meaning. The Arabic text does not allow to make this selective. All messengers are in view here.

If I were to translate it, in order to be faithful to the meaning, it would be like:-

      …, indeed (all) the Messengers have passed away before him. …


    – Adapted from Answering Islam –
Variants In Scriptures

Variants In Scriptures

Muslims have been taught from young that the Bible is corrupt while the Quran has been perfectly preserved.

As evidence that the Bible cannot be from God, they like to point out verses like the variant ending of Mark or the passage in John 8.

The truth is, there are very few variant readings, only about twenty, all in the NT. These are all well-known, not hidden, and have been well-researched and documented and do not prove the muslim case. None of them affects the teaching of the Bible as a whole or its overall authenticity.

“We do not believe a book has to be perfectly intact to be the authentic Word of God but rather that, if it [the message] has been protected and handed down in its original form with only a few copyist errors, negligence variant readings and one or two uncertain passages, its overall integrity cannot be challenged.” None of the variants remotely contradict anything taught in the Bible.

In other words, these variants do not prove that the Bible, as a whole, has been so dramatically changed that it no longer contains what was originally written.

On the other hand, Islam teaches that every word and every letter of the quran has been perfectly preserved. This means, EVEN IF THERE IS ONE SINGLE
VARIANT, the Quran falls and Islam collapses.

Here is where Christians and Muslims differ. While Christians are aware of the variants in their book, Muslims are unaware of the variants in theirs.


Historians such as Ibn Abi Dawud who compiled a record of Quranic variants which he titled “Kitab al-Masahif (Book of the Manuscripts)”, and Muhammad
Abu Jafar at-Tabari, author of the monumental work on the Qur’an titled “Jami al-Bayan fii Tafsir al-Qur’an” (A Comprehensive Compilation for a Commentary of the Qur’an), preserved a record of all the known variants between the various texts.

At-Tabari’s extensive records, show that there were literally hundreds of variant readings between the early manuscripts. Arthur Jeffery, who compiled a catalogue of the different readings mainly from Ibn Abi Dawud’s and at-Tabari’s works, listed them over no less than 362 PAGES of variants in his book “Materials for the History of the Text of the Qur’an”. His book also contains the whole text of Ibn Abi Dawud’s “Kitab al-Masahif”.

They make the number of Biblical variants seem negligible in comparison and, once again, it has to be remembered that the Bible is centuries older than the Qur’an, five times its length, and was compiled by numerous authors over a two-thousand year period. The variants of the Bible fill half a page. The variants of the quran fills 362 pages!

The few variants of the Bible are easily accounted for and of such little importance that they in no way affect the integrity of the book as a whole. The scriptures, in their entirety, have been preserved for us virtually unaltered. On the other hand, consider the Qur’an where every manuscript transcribed by Muhammad’s own companions, like Ibn Masud and Ubayy bin Ka’b was burnt and destroyed.

The Bible has only been burnt by its enemies in history.  But in Islamic history, Uthman, the 3rd caliph burnt every other manuscript of the Qur’an other than the one he conveniently had at hand. This was long after Muhammad had died and after the lifetime of the first two caliphs of of the religion.

Codices that had been widely recognised as authoritative texts in the various provinces were burnt in favour of a manuscript that Hafsah had simply kept under her bed!

One of the teachers whom Muhammad commanded the Muslims to learn quran from was Salim.
In fact, he was the first to collect the Qur’an into a mushaf  (a manuscript or written codex) — As Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii `Ulum al-Qur’an, Vol.1 p.135).
sadly, he died in the Battle of Yamama, leaving behind his precious manuscripts. Where is this first mushaf of the Quran?
Gone up in smoke, thanks to Uthman.

The quran’s original textual integrity is far more questionable than that of the Bible – even though the Bible is five times the length of the Qur’an and was compiled over a much longer period many centuries earlier.

In conclusion, the major reason why Muslims do not believe in the Bible’s integrity is that they have no choice but to do so if they are to sustain their confidence in the Quran.

How many of you Muslims are honest to want to see the evidence of the variants of the quran?

Let none of you say “I have acquired the whole of the Qur’an”. How does he know what all of it is when much of the Qur’an has disappeared? Rather let him say “I have acquired what has survived.” (As-Suyuti, Al Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur’an).

Abu Musa al-Ashari, a close companion of Muhammad and one of the earliest authorities of the Qur’an, is recorded as teaching the Qur’an-reciters (qurra) in Basra: “We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara’at. I have, however, forgotten it….” (Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p.501)

– adapted from John Gilchrist-

“Many (of the passages) of the Qur’an that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama … but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (by that time) collected the Qur’an, nor were they found with even one (person) after them.” — Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif, p.23

Why Did Uthman Burn Early Quran Manuscripts?

Why Did Uthman Burn Early Quran Manuscripts?

Why did Uthman need to burn the many original manuscripts of the Quran?

Because the many different manuscripts contained many discrepancies.
These different Qur’ans were a subject of study for early Islamic scholars. The Arabic librarian, Ibn Abi Ya’qub al-Nadim, made a famous catalogue of all the books in Arabic in the year 375 A.H./987 A.D that dealt with the topic of discrepancies in the different versions of the Quran existing then. He records seven books that dealt with this subject.

Books Composed about Discrepancies of the [Qur’anic] Manuscripts

  1. “The Discrepancies between the Manuscripts of the People of al-Madinah, al-Kufah, and al-Basrah” according to al-Kisa’i.
  2. Book of Khalaf, “Discrepancies of the Manuscripts”.
  3. “Discrepancies of the People of al-Kufah, al-Basrah, and Syria concerning the Manuscripts”, by al-Farra.
  4. “Discrepancies between the Manuscripts” by Abu Da’ud al-Sijistani.
  5. Book of al-Mada’ini about the discrepancies between the manuscripts and the compiling of the Qur’an.
  6. “Discrepancies between the Manuscripts of Syria, al-Hijaz, and al-Iraq”, by Ibn `Amir al-Yahsubi.
  7. Book of Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Rahman al-Isbahani about discrepancies of the manuscripts.
    (Al-Nadim, The Fihrist of al-Nadim – A Tenth Century survey of Muslim Culture, p. 79)

These books detail hundreds of discrepancies; for example: different numbers of surahs, surahs were arranged differently, different words for the same verse, etc.

Here are some specific references:
“Concerning the arrangement of the Qur’an in the manuscript of Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud, Al-Fadl ibn Shadhan said, “I found in a manuscript of `Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud the surahs of the Qur’an in accordance with the following (different) sequence … These are one hundred and ten surahs.” (Al-Nadim, p. 53)

This is saying that ibn Mas’ud’s Quran had 110 surahs!
Who is Ibn Mas’ud? He was one of the teachers that Muhammad had commanded Muslims to learn the Quran from.

Here is another one.

One of our reliable friends has informed us, saying that the composition of the surahs according to the reading of Ubayy ibn Ka’b is in a village called Qariyat al-Ansar, two parasangs from al-Basrah, where in his home Muhammad ibn Abd al-Malik al-Ansari showed us a Qur’anic manuscript, saying, “This is the copy of Ubayy which we have, handed down from our fathers.” I looked into it and ascertained the headings of the surahs, the endings of the revelations, and the numbers of verses. … one hundred and sixteen surahs. (Al-Nadim, pp. 58-61)”

This is saying that Ubayy ibn Ka’b’s Quran had 116 surahs!
Who is Ubayy ibn Ka’b? the hadiths tell us he was the best reciter of the Quran.

There were Qurans with 110 surahs. And there were Qurans with 116 surahs.  And there were Qurans with 114 surahs?  What are these additional surahs? Which ones should be in the Quran and which one should not be in the Quran?

Who should make the decision?

Muhammad?  He was dead.  Allah had been silent since Muhammad died.
Although Muhammad left behind the great teachers of the Quran like Ibn Mas’ud and Ubayy ibn Ka’b, the caliph, Uthman, chose to reject the Qurans of these teachers by burning them. Muhammad was no longer around to approve or disapprove of what he did.

No one knows if the genuine Quran was burnt by Uthman.

“Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people (Muslims) of Syria and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azarbaijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Syria and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’an, so he said to ‘Uthman, “O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before.” So ‘Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, “Send us the manuscripts of the Qur’an so that we may compile the Qur’anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you.” Hafsa sent it to ‘Uthman. ‘Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, ‘Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Said bin Al-As and ‘AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to REWRITE the manuscripts in perfect copies. ‘Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, “In case you DISAGREE (on discrepancies) with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur’an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur’an was revealed in their tongue.” They did so, and when they had written many copies, ‘Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. ‘Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur’anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.” (Sahih al-Bukhari: vol. 6, bk. 61, no. 510)

Can I Follow What Allah Said in Sura 5:47?

Can I Follow What Allah Said in Sura 5:47?

Muslims, are we supposed to believe what Allah says in the Quran or not? Do you believe the Quran?

I ask because of this ayah:

Surah 5:47
“Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.”

Allah says we Christians are supposed to judge by the Gospel. Am I allowed to obey this verse?

But muslims claim that the Gospel has been lost to corruption.

So why did Allah tell us to judge by a Gospel that you say has been lost?

How can I obey Sura 5:47?

Did Allah not know it had been lost or that it was going to be lost?

How can you know something that Allah didn’t speak about when he wrote the Quran?
If you say the Gospel was lost later, then you are still insulting Allah’s words in 5:47 by claiming that the words your God spoke is obsolete and invalid today. His word has lost it’s relevance.

Things get just as bad because of this ayah as well:

Surah 5:68

“Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till ye observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk.”

Are Christians allowed to follow Sura 5:68?

So according to Muslims, we Jews and Christians cannot find guidance as prescribed by 5:68 because the Torah and the Gospel is lost.

But that’s not what Allah says here.  You are defying His words. He says we are to find guidance in the Torah and Gospel. So are we supposed to believe the Quran or not?

Is Sura 5:68 also obsolete and invalid? How much more of the Quran have you muslims declared obsolete and invalid when Allah never said any such thing.

Muslims believe Allah wrote the Book in eternity, but He could not preserve it.  How much more of insults will Allah take from the Muslims?

“The same Bible Muhammad would have seen (if he ever did) is in both (1) The Vatican (Codex Vaticanus) and (2) British Museum (Codex Sinaticus). It is all there, including Jesus dying on the cross as atonement for our sins. And, His resurrection, and ascension into heaven – in front of many witnesses. The New Testament is preserved in almost perfect condition in these two Greek texts which both predate Muhammad and Islam by over 200 years. The Christian Bible predates Muhammad and Islam by more than 575 years. The Jewish Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by 1,000 – 3,000 years. Muhammad said for Muslims to read the Bible for “Guidance and Light.” For Islam to say they are corrupted, then is to call Muhammad a liar for recommending it.” – Steve Perez

Has The Bible Been Changed?

Has The Bible Been Changed?

  Muslims think the Bible has been changed.

“How could there be any alteration in the Book whose words’ sharpness has reached a great level of circulation in the East and in the West? … For no change can occur in a book that is well circulated among men. Every wise man can see that the alteration of the Bible was impossible for it was well circulated among men of different faith and backgrounds.”     Al-Razi (865 – 925 AD)

So are you wise or foolish?

When Muslims point to differences in Biblical text, they are usually looking at different translations.

First of all, Christians already know about this. Scholars have studied it for decades. It’s a field of study called “Textual Criticism”.

We know there are “variations” and it is a minor issue that does not change God’s message in the Bible. Variations do not prove that the Bible is not authentic. Scholars agree that today’s Bible presents the same message as in the manuscripts found in the 2nd & 3rd century AD, hundreds of years before Muhammad was born. (The Quran affirms the People of the Book and their scripture in the 7th century AD; by 5th century, the Bible was already distributed worldwide).

The issue that really troubles you Muslims is that you are really comparing the Quran and the Bible. Since you believe the Quran is unchanged, so when you see this issue of variation in a translation of the Bible, you think this is evidence that the Bible is changed. Don’t force your concept of scripture on to the Bible. We believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God. Translations are made by men and men are not perfect.

Quran too has many translations too. And there are many variations and differences and even different meanings in the Yusof Ali version of the Quran, compared to Pickthall’s version, compared to Sahih International’s version, compared to Arberry’s version…etc?

Do you see what I mean? Does it mean these are fake Qurans that have been changed? Or are they just different translations?

Through careful scholarly studies of literally thousands of ancient Bible manuscripts, we can be sure that our Bible is proven reliable and authentic. Quran has not gone though such a thorough research. Firstly because of lack of manuscripts. Many manuscripts that had variations had been burnt by Uthman. We can’t even compare your different manuscripts and their variations because Uthman got rid of all the damning evidence!

Secondly, while thousands of Bible manuscripts have been available for any scholar, whether Christian, Muslim or Atheist, to research and study for decades, the few known Quranic manuscripts discovered is kept under tight security and rarely allowed to be studied. Why? Is it because the Quran manuscripts like Topkapi & Samarkand differs from today’s Quran?

One of the most famous Quranic manuscripts is the Sanaa manuscript of Yemen. But it contains only 43 surahs! What happened to the other 71 surahs? Does it mean they were added later?

A German scholar and Quran authority, Gerd Puin, had been commissioned by Yemen to do the study and he has reported that there are numerous variations, and even changes of text, as in erased and a different text re-written on top of it, called palimpsests. Very serious consequences for the authenticity of the Quran that all Muslims believed to be preserved.

Am I making this up? Look it up for yourself. Search for Sanna manuscript or Gerd Puin.

The Bible has gone though even more rigorous research decades ago and came out clean. The worst you can point to are these variations in translations which as I said are minor issues.

If you think these are problems with the Bible, you have bigger problems with the quran. Scholars can attest to this. Look up Dr. Mustafa (now Dr. Mark Gabriel) – former Muslim Imam and Ex-Professor in Al Azhar University, Cairo and Dr. Muhammed Rahoumy (now Dr. Samuel Paul) – former Dean in Al Azhar Islamic University.

What Version Is Your Quran?

What Version Is Your Quran?

Muslims believe that Quran is unchanged and there are no variant versions.

This is not true. There are many versions of the Arabic Quran.

The 2 most popular versions are the Hafs and Warsh. (Others are Qalun, Al-Duri, Al-Bazzi, etc)

Is yours a Hafs or Warsh version?

Look at the first verse of Sura al-Fatihah. If there is a number “1” after the Bismillah verse, then you have the Hafs version.
If there is no “1”, you have the Warsh version.

Did you know the the official version of the Quran was only finalized in 1924 in Cairo, Egypt? The Quran was only authorized officially in 1985 in Saudi Arabia.

Scholars know that there are several versions of the Quran, but the average Muslim does not. Why?

The few knowledgable muslims who are aware of the existence of these different versions will say there are very minor differences, mainly vocal variations.

Again this is not true.

Here are a couple of examples of text variants that can be found in the Arabic Hafs and Warsh that show that the quranic text and meaning itself has been altered!

2:125 in Hafs is وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take) / In Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made).
In 2:125 One version gives a command, while the other states a historical observation.

Another one:

3:146 in Hafs is قاتل “Qatal” (Fought) / In Warsh it is ُقتل “Qutil” (Were Killed).

In 3:146 the difference is between a prophet and those with him being killed, while in the other the difference only means that they fought by his side.

There’s more: Look up 2:85, 15:8, 21:4, 33:68, 42:30, 48:17 in both these versions and see for yourself.

In fact, if you study futher, you will find that number of verses in Hafs is 6236, while Warsh has only 6214 verses (other versions show 6616, 6217, 6204 verses, etc ).

Were you aware of this? Probably not. Why not?

Which is the right version? Hafs or Warsh?

Is it the Hafs or Warsh that is preserved in the eternal tablets with Allah?

Allah said that He will preserve his words. (Sura 15:9)

The 4 Great Quran Teachers

The 4 Great Quran Teachers

While Muhammad was alive, he chose 4 of his closest sahabas and entrusted the recitation of the Quran to them.

Muhammad commanded all his followers to learn the Quran from them.
The four chosen by the prophet were specifically:
1. Abdulla Ibn Mas’ud
2. Salim (a freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa)
3. Mu’adh bin Jabal
4. Ubay bin Ka’b. (Sahih Bukhari 6.61.521)

Years after Muhammad died, Abu Bakr, the first caliph decided to compile the Quran, fearing it would be lost.

Did Abu Bakr consult any one of the 4 men that Muhammad personally chose? NO.
Abu Bakr instructed Zaid Ibn Thabit, who was a scribe, to do the job.

Did Zaid consult or request help from any one of the 4 men that Muhammad chose? NO.

Were the 4 great early quran teachers UPSET that they were ignored and rejected? YES! They were FURIOUS!

They already had their own Quran codices.

After Zaid ibn Thabit finished compiling the first official Quran without input from the four….

The 2nd caliph, Umar, described the Quran: “Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Quran, for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Quran has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available’” (As-Suyuti, Itqan, part 3, page 72)

In Sahih Bukhari 6.61.527 – “Ubayy was the best reciter yet we leave out some of what he recites.”

By the time the 3rd caliph, Uthman, came to power, there were many versions floating around. The books of the 4 great teachers and other hafiz had spread throughout the empire and used widely and gained popularity.

Due to this confusion, the 3rd Caliph Uthman instructed Zaid ibn Thabit to EDIT his Quran again, which he had compiled years earlier under Abu Bakr. The purpose was to come up with a standard and final official version for correct recitation.

Once that was done, Uthman ordered the burning of the rest of the versions including those of the 4 great teachers personally hand-picked by Muhammad. Sadly, Muhammad was no longer around to disapprove of the situation.

Abdulla Ibn Masud gave a passionate speech as Uthman’s henchmen were burning his Quran, tearfully declaring that he knew the Quran better than anyone else..

“By Allah other than Whom none has the right to be worshipped! There is no Sura revealed in Allah’s Book but I know at what place it was revealed; and there is no verse revealed in Allah’s Book but I know about whom it was revealed. And if I know that there is somebody who knows Allah’s Book better than I, and he is at a place that camels can reach, I would go to him.”

Authors note: The more I read about the sahaba, Ibn Masud, the more I am convinced that it was his Quran that was the true and genuine one. Unfortunately, this Quran is no longer in existence today. Thanks to Uthman.

Do Old Quran Manuscripts Match The Quran?

Do Old Quran Manuscripts Match The Quran?

Why do muslims think that the Quran has been perfectly preserved? Because that is what they have been told. Have you bothered to check for yourselves if this is true?

Well, let’s put it to the test. Prove it. Bring your oldest manuscript and let’s compare it with the present quran and see if it is the same.

One of the most important findings is the Sana’a manuscript in 1972, which carbon-dating puts the origin of some of the parchments to 645–690 CE, while calligraphic dating has pointed to their origin in 710–715 AD.making them, perhaps the oldest Quran in existence.


The study of these documents were undertaken by Gerd R. Puin of Saarland University, Germany. Puin is a renowned specialist on Arabic calligraphy and Quranic paleography. For more than 10 years he extensively examined these parchment fragments.

What did he find?

Puin, after extensively studying these manuscripts, came to the conclusion that the text is actually an evolving text rather than simply the word of God as revealed in its entirety to Muhammad (Warraq, 2002, p. 109).

…disturbingly at odds with the existing form. There are unconventional verse ordering, small but significant textual variations, different orthography (spelling) and different artistic embellishment (decoration)…

Puin even concluded (cited Taher, 2000) that

“It is not one single work that has survived unchanged through the centuries. It may include stories that were written before the prophet Mohammed began his ministry and which have subsequently been rewritten”.

Puin’s findings also confirm Wansbrough’s assumption on the Quranic text. In the 1970s, Wansbrough concluded that the Quran evolved only gradually in the seventh and eighth centuries after a long period of oral transmissions

Said Puin, “My idea is that the Quran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. The Quran claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen’, or clear. But [contrary to popular belief] if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply does not make sense…the fact is that a fifth of the Quranic text is just incomprehensible. If the Quran is not comprehensible, if it can’t even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Quran claims repeatedly to be clear but is not—there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on”.


The extraordinary discovery of Puin had fascinated Andrew Rippin, a Professor of religious studies and a leading expert on Quranic studies. Rippin (cited Warraq, 2002, p. 110) concluded, “Their variant readings and verse orders are all very significant. Everybody agrees on that.

Warraq (1998, p. 14) has the same view as Rippin, “Muslim scholars of the early years of Islam were far more flexible in their position, realizing that parts of the Quran was lost, perverted and that there were many thousand variants which made it impossible to talk of ‘the’ Quran”.

There is another proof that Quranic messages were distorted in the early days of Islam and nothing like ‘The’ Quran does exist any more. Inscriptions of several Quranic verses are decorated on the Dome of Rock of Jerusalem, which is most probably the first Islamic monument meant to be a major artistic achievement, built in 691 CE (Whelan, 1998, p. 1–14). These inscriptions significantly differ from the present standard text (Warraq, 2000, p. 34).

Cook and Crone (1977, p. 18) concluded that “[The Quran] strikingly lacking in overall structure, frequently obscure and inconsequential in both language and content perfunctory in its liking of disparate materials and given to the repetition of whole passages in variant versions. On this basis, it can be argued that the book is the product of a belated and imperfect editing of materials from a plurality of traditions.” Crone (cited Warraq, 1998, p. 33) wrote elsewhere that “The Quran has generated masses of spurious information”.

So much for “the perfect, timeless, and unchanging Word of God”. This proves that the Quran has been distorted, perverted, revised, modified and corrected, and textual alterations had taken place over the years purely by human hands.

Versions Of The Quran

Versions Of The Quran

Muslims believe that the Quran is unchanged and there are no variants in their scripture. We are told that all Muslims all over the world use the one and the same Quran.

Is this true?

Walk into your local Islamic bookshop and ask what versions of the Quran they sell.


This online books store, has 13 versions of the Quran in Arabic.




This bookshop in Jordan has over 20 Arabic versions of the Quran for sale.



Muslims say these are not different versions.  We need to know there are 7 ahrufs, and  qira’at, different ways of reciting.  There are very minor differences, mainly vocal variations; slight differences in the way the verses are recited.

Some of these are  Qalun, Al-Duri, Khalaf, etc. The two most widely used versions in existence today are the Hafs and Warsh versions.

What version do you use? Is yours a Hafs or Warsh version?

Here’s how you can tell…

Look at the first verse of Sura al-Fatihah. If there is a number “1” after the ‘Bismillah’ verse, then you have the Hafs version. If not, you have the Warsh version. Also, if you’re in Saudi Arabia, you’re using the Hafs. If you live in Morocco, you’re using the Warsh.

Do all these versions use the same Arabic words and text and carry the same meanings?


Here are a some examples of text variants that can be found in the different Arabic versions that show that the Quranic text and meaning itself has been altered!  You look at these and judge for yourselves.


Hafs vs AlSusi  – Different Pronouns Used!



Grammatical Error in Hafs! Not in Ruh!




Hafs vs alDuri: Different Words Used!



Hafs vs Warsh: Different Sentence Structure!



Hafs vs alBazzi: Different Verbs Used!



Hafs vs Warsh: Different Pronouns Used



Why are there numerous variances?

Compare Sura 2:125 in Hafs with the Warsh.

Hafs has this: وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take) BUT in Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made).
The Hafs version gives a command, while Warsh states a historical observation.  Same verse but different words used and different meanings rendered. here are a few other differences found comparing Hafs and the Warsh.






Do you know how many verses are there in the Quran? You will find that number of verses in Hafs is 6236, while Warsh has only 6214 verses.

Which one is the right version? Which one did Muhammad recite? Which one matches the eternal preserved tablets that is with Allah?


Interesting fact: Did you know the the official version of the Quran was only finalized in 1924 in Cairo, Egypt? It was only authorized officially as recently as 1985, in Saudi Arabia. Why did it take 1300 years for the world to finalize and authorize the Quran, if there has always been just the one and the same Quran all ver the world? Now you know why.

Allah said that he will preserve his word (Sura 15:9).  Did someone manage to change his words?